User talk:Game widow

These pages are all blank and a little confusing. I'd recommend making the community boards and talk boards easier to understand and allow users to read others users questions. If it is already available id change the web scheme because I am confused on where I am and where I'm going.
 * You are missing the point of a wiki. Users are meant to contribute information. There are links on the sidebar (to the left) — Game widow (talk) 13:26, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

adding a team member
Hey could you please add one of my team members to the eco wiki ? he is registered under WillEco and his email is will@strangeloopgames.com

thanks ! =)
 * Done :) — Game widow (talk) 02:30, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

question
Nespet has done some great work recently and would love to even more improve the wiki .. It seems he has a bit more knowledge then me. thanks ! http://eco.gamepedia.com/UserProfile:Nesphit

Could you elevate his access so he can edit the main page and maybe the css?
 * Sure! and done :) — Game widow (talk) 14:25, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Appearance change
Hi, I noticed something odd with the subheading style (h3 and down) when logged in. There seems to be a different style that is presented to users that are not logged in to pro accounts. I noticed the style of the h3+ elements change when my account was upgraded to pro.

The style that I see now is far more readable than the default style and was something that I wanted to talk with you about changing anyway. --Nesphit (talk) 21:26, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * You are more than welcome to change the style of the wiki. I just set them up :) If you need me to do it, then i need very specific information / screenshots / descriptions of the issues — Game widow (talk) 23:41, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, do I do that through the Mediawiki:Common.css page? There's not much there right now. --Nesphit (talk) 04:57, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, we use Mediawiki:Hydra.css — Game widow (talk) 12:40, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Securing the wiki more
Howdy! i have seen recently several users that have no account adding spam to the wiki. Can we enforce user accounts for edits? Is there also a way that i always get notification when someone is adding a new page or is making a change so that i can make sure that i see those thinks easier? -NoBlackThunder
 * That is not our policy in general. The entire point of wikis is to allow anyone to edit. A bit of spam is the price we pay — Game widow (talk) 12:44, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Installing extensions
Hi! We'd like to install the following extensions to improve the function of the wik: Page Forms will make inputs easier using the #array function, and External Data will be invaluable for importing data from the game's csv files or other sources. I think you might need to help us with this. Thanks! --Nesphit (talk) 20:39, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, neither of those are standard extensions we support. I can submit a request to have them vetted and see where that leads — Game widow (talk) 21:26, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Pradoxzon and I have been looking for ways to enhance templates and automate item data based on game files. The most important function is the latter. We don't want to be inputting everything manually, since in the alpha release, values are changing with every update. But both of us are very new to wiki editing and are learning as we go. If you have any suggestions for how these could be done, we'd be glad to hear them. But we think these plugins look like good options. --Nesphit (talk) 23:25, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand, but it's not up to me. I can only submit the extensions for vetting and see what happens. I have submitted formal tickets for both — Game widow (talk) 23:55, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Great, thank you! :) --Nesphit (talk) 03:03, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Update: After conferring with Pradoxzon, who has learned more about this than I have, we would like to get the [Scribunto] extension and not worry about the Page Forms extension at all. Sorry for switching things around, but an LUA extension will make things much easier for Pradoxzon to make tables. So, to summarize, please prioritize External Data and Scribunto for vetting and put Page Forms on the back burner for now (we may want to use it eventually, who knows). Thanks for bearing with us! --Nesphit (talk) 06:04, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * That's much easier, and done :) Scribunto is one of our standard extensions, so it's already installed — Game widow (talk) 12:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Removing a link
Howdy ! can we remove the "Eco Server list & dev tracker" link? it is an outdated and not working anymore as it should do.
 * I removed it for you, but in future, it was here — Game widow (talk) 01:20, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Getting pages to check modules on view
Hi! Pradoxzon and I have run into an issue. When a page contains a template that calls on a module, that information from the module is not updated until the page is edited and saved again. We want the changes we make in our modules (we're planning a few massive tables that will have key data on all items/skills/recipes in the game) on all the pages that rely on them without additional work. Any ideas? Maybe a bot, if the wiki supports it? --Nesphit (talk) 06:07, 30 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Game_Widow sent me over here. As far as I know, changes to Scribunto modules (any Module: namespace pages generally) are handled just like other transclusions -- they don't show up until the cache is updated, which happens when editing a page, or manually by loading a page with ?action=purge tacked onto the end of the URL. You could probably trigger purges at regular intervals using a bot, and yes Gamepedia does support bots, you just need to create/program them yourself and special permissions are required from your wiki's bureaucrat or Gamepedia staffer.


 * PS. I'm a staffer but you should try Game_Widow first, as she's your wiki's official staffer (and you don't seem to have any bureaucrats). When you're ready to start bot testing let her know you need a bot account. Equazcion (talk)


 * Correction, you might not even need Game_Widow to create a bot account for you. Try heading to Special:BotPasswords if/when you're ready, that should let you create a bot login. Equazcion (talk)

Occasional issue when uploading a new version of a file
Hello! I've been running into an issue occasionally where when I upload a new version of an image/file, the wiki keeps using the old version. In the image's file history, it shows that I uploaded a new version, but the preview for the thumbnail shows the old version and not the one I uploaded. Purging the image's page doesn't help, and purging the page that uses the image doesn't help. Trying to re-uload the new version warns me that I'm uploading the exact same image as the last version, and doesn't fix the issue. After some more experimenting, I think the issue happens when the file being uploaded as the new version has the same name filename as the older version. I'm not 100% sure this is the cause, but that's the pattern I'm seeing. Am I missing something when I'm uploading a new file? Or is there a way to fix this when it happens? --Pradoxzon (talk) 17:27, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If the exact filename is not set in stone for you, you can simply rename (move) the file page to a new name without leaving a redirection. This will fix the thumbnails. Otherwise, this is a known issue and it happens on all our wikis (sadly). It's not a big problem, but i agree that it's annoying — Game widow (talk) 12:14, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Gotcha, thanks for the information! --Pradoxzon (talk) 17:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Getting ready for Beta & New Admin
Eco Beta is being released less than 2 weeks from now, on Feb. 6! This will bring a huge influx of new players to the game and likely the wiki, so we need to be ready. Game Widow, so you have any recommendations to make sure this goes smoothly? I'm working on pointing players to the Help:Guide page from the main Eco Wiki page, and I think I'm going to move to protect some important pages, such as our templates.

Additionally, I would like you to add User:Pradoxzon as an admin. He has been doing a lot of work on modules and templates!

Thanks Game Widow! --Nesphit (talk) 20:42, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If Pradoxzon clicks the "Claim this Wiki" button at the left of the article area, i will approve the claim, this will give him admin access — Game widow (talk) 21:05, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Logo header image change
The producer updated the logo for Eco quite some time ago. I've made a new wiki header logo that reflects the new logo. It is at File:Eco-wiki-logo-new.png. Feel free to move or rename as appropriate. Can you make this the new wiki header logo? Thanks. --Nesphit (talk) 05:28, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I see no file at the location indicated. But to change the existing wiki logo, you only require a 160x160px version of the new logo and simply overwrite File:Wiki.png — Game widow (talk) 12:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oops! Of course I messed up the file link (fixed that). But I went ahead and replaced File:Wiki.png with a new 160x160 version. Thanks! --Nesphit (talk) 16:25, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't worry if it takes a bit of time for the new logo to appear. These images are cached — Game widow (talk) 17:10, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * On a related note, I've just added a banner to the wiki front page with the new logo and the image doesn't seem to scale responsively, which effectively breaks the site on mobile. See Eco Wiki and Talk:Eco Wiki. --Nesphit (talk) 22:17, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If you want an image to scale responsively, you must make it scalable, like an svg file — Game widow (talk) 22:23, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, i am trying to upload an SVG version, but I keep running into the following error: "Found href to unsafe data: URI target <image http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink:href="data:img/png;base64[LONG-ASS TEXT DATA STRING] in the uploaded SVG file." Any ideas? --Nesphit (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I solved the above error by vectorizing my image, but neither SVG nor PNG nor JPG versions of the file scale down responsively. I don't want to scale the image UP, just scale it down so it is smaller on mobile and smaller resolutions. This seems to be something that should be achievable with PNG or JPG, or am I just misunderstanding Gamepedia's limitations? --Nesphit (talk) 23:14, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Never mind! We got this sorted in Slack with a few lines of CSS. I'd been meaning to start digging into this site's CSS anyway... --Nesphit (talk) 23:41, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I saw the slack conversation this morning. Great news :) — Game widow (talk) 12:20, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Expensive Function Limit
Hello! I've been working on Modules and Templates to automate displaying information from a central module (database) to pages. This creates wikitables containing recipes for items, and I'm using #ifexist to check for item icons in the table. The issue I'm running in to is I'm hitting the expensive function limit on a few pages where the list of recipes gets very long, such as on Food. Could I have $wgExpensiveParserFunctionLimit raised? Or is there a better way to check for images? Someone on Slack recommended looking at the css for pages to either get rid of the error text or to perform the #ifexist check there (I'm not familiar with css, so I wasn't sure what he was getting at). --Pradoxzon (talk) 05:49, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm discussion options with a more knowledgable user. We'll find something to help — Game widow (talk) 12:53, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If you look at User:Game widow/common.css, you'll see some css i've been playing with that would substitute your image for any missing image. You can copy this to your own personal css for testing, or to Mediawiki:Hydra.css if you're happy to have it apply to any and all missing images. This could be further refined to only apply to a particular class element — Game widow (talk) 14:23, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That looks wonderful! Is there a way for me to control where the NoImage redirects to? So Instead of directing to upload the file, control what page it directs to? --Pradoxzon (talk) 17:48, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably, but i will have to play around with it some more to figure it out :) A slightly different approach might be to deal with the images in the infoboxes on the item pages — Game widow (talk) 17:49, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * While poking around i did see that your recipe table marks "Hare Carcass" as missing an image, but the image is there, it's just not called "HareCarcass Icon", but rather just "HareCarcass" — Game widow (talk) 17:54, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Nes, me, and the other active editors decided to use the format of "ItemName_Icon.png" for item icons, and a ton of old icons still need to be updated and moved. Looking at pages and seeing which icons are showing as missing is one of the main ways we are figuring out which icons we still need to update :) --Pradoxzon (talk) 18:13, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * What about applying the css snippet to only wikitables? Is that possible? --Pradoxzon (talk) 18:53, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I think so ... changing the selector to  perhaps or some variation on that theme or using   and applying this new "ecotable" class to the affected tables — Game widow (talk) 19:13, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I tried using the, and it worked fine when applied to my personal Common.css. But when I applied it to Hydra.css, it doesn't seem to work. Not sure what I'm missing --Pradoxzon (talk) 20:19, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If it worked fine for your personal css, it might only be a caching issue with the wiki css. Perhaps waiting a bit to see ? — Game widow (talk) 20:20, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, it seems to have just taken a minute to apply to the wiki. Thanks for all the help! --Pradoxzon (talk) 20:22, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

User Management
Nes and I are getting a lot of push-back and complaints from the community, including community heads, that there needs to be a way to control who edits the wiki. That we need to have some way of at least needing someone to approve edits before they are publicly visible. Nes and I would both love to have this as part of the wiki too. Is there anything that can be set up to help? --Pradoxzon (talk) 14:32, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That runs rather counter to the entire idea of a wiki. Wikis are meant to be open and collaborative. How about Flagged Revisions ? Or, for particularly sensitive pages, you can protect them (under the "More" menu at the top of the page). — Game widow (talk) 14:36, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I know it runs counter to the core ideas, but that is what we are being asked. Flagged Revisions looks promising, and might work well for what we are being asked. A few questions though; Would everyone be able to review pages by default, or are we able to select who has the power to review? How many reviews would it take for an edit to be displayed? Is there a method for allowing certain templates to bypass the need for reviews on pages that use them? (we have templates and modules that control a lot of information across many pages, and we update the information they display with every update) --Pradoxzon (talk) 14:53, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * You can absolutely hand pick who has the power to review, i'll install the extension and see if we need a special group or if there is one by default. I'll keep you posted — Game widow (talk) 15:07, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, it's installed and i believe it creates the necessary groups automatically. There are 3 new levels of rights:
 * editor – receive autoreview, review, unreviewedpages, plus the standard Mediawiki user rights autoconfirmed, editsemiprotected
 * reviewer – receive autoreview, review, unreviewedpages, validate, plus the standard MediaWiki user rights autoconfirmed, editsemiprotected
 * autoreview – receive autoreview
 * Which users would you like to have which rights ? — Game widow (talk) 15:11, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Do users need the editor level to be able to edit pages? --Pradoxzon (talk) 15:24, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * To start, could CompactDisc7227 be made a reviewer? I'm guessing that Nes and I get access to all the rights as admins anyways. --Pradoxzon (talk) 15:42, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Anyone can still edit, but the changes must be approved before being added (i think, and i've made the rights changes for you, Nes and CompactDisc7227) If you get any reports of users not being able to edit, there are still a few changes i can make that would fix that for sure (if indeed it's an issue) — Game widow (talk) 15:48, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you. Are Nes and I able to give a user one of these groups ourselves, or would we need to ask you or someone else to do it? --Pradoxzon (talk) 15:58, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * One more thing, can the css be changed so the notifications and text boxes the extension makes are a bit more readable? On the recent changes page, the flags are a bit hard to read. --Pradoxzon (talk) 16:06, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you provide some concrete examples of what you would like changed? screenshots and/or text descriptions of exactly what is hard to read and what is ok ? — Game widow (talk) 16:15, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * For all of these, making the background a darker would help make the text easier to read. Here are some examples with screenshots: Recent Changes page, Special:Unreviewed Pages, and the review box at the bottom of any page.
 * Those pages should be legible now, though they may still need some tweaks. — Game widow (talk) 16:55, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! That looks so much better.
 * Will Nes and I be able to change users' groups? If so, where do we go for that? --Pradoxzon (talk) 17:02, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The easiest way is to go to the user's User page (or talk page, but not the Profile page), then look under "Tools" on the sidebar on the left and you should see "Change user groups" as an option. — Game widow (talk) 17:06, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Alrighty. Thanks again for the help!--Pradoxzon (talk) 17:10, 8 February 2018 (UTC)